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This and some of the original posts have been collected here. I have exercised very little editorial control, except to collect, markup, and reduce overlap between Dale's summary and some of his original posts. When there was overlap, the summary was given precedence.
I am making this available as a public service, as I think we all should do our part, but this material was written by Dale Clark, and should he object to it being available here, I shall remove it. If anyone can contact him to get his approval or disapproval, I would appreciate it.
(Now, this was a mistake in the fact that the dark violet color hinders diagnosis because color is an important part of identifying problems on the skin. Doing this did cause a slight delay in diagnosis. However, of all the things I tried, viz., Hydrogen Peroxide, Burn Cream, Hydrocortisone, and Neomycin, it was the Gentian Violet that seemed to work the best. If I were bitten again, and knew I was bitten, I would use Gentian Violet for at least the first 6-7 days. Anyway, back to the story...)
I saw the dermatologist and my regular physician each Wednesday for the next 3 weeks. I watched with dismay as the wound increased in size and swelling began in my right arm. After about 2 weeks, it began to 'separate' into 2 circles. At first they were hooked together like a figure eight (8), but gradually they separated into 2 distinct circles (OO) about the size of a half-dollar each. Pain would wax and wain. The wound looked awful, after 2 1/2 weeks it turned a honey-brown color and looked disgusting. The purple part came off and I had 2 nice 'holes' in my arm, the pieces that came off were almost 'corroded' looking, not like a scab or skin or anything else, but like tissue that was destroyed. It was kind of scary. Each day you think, "This has got to be as bad as it's going to get, I'll be improving soon." But it goes on and on. And you can't hardly believe that it's expanding. I took good care of the wound and changed the bandages and took my medication religiously. Finally, the color of it concerned the dematologist. The honey/color suggested to her that staph might be in it. On Tuesday, June 22nd, she had me go in for a biopsy and possible surgery. Here's the posting I made to the news when I returned to work 2 days later:
Well, for those interested, here's what happened...
Biopsy confirmed presence of staph infection and deep areas of necrosis so they laid-on surgery for 11:30 AM.
Went in and stripped. Was given Valsed (not sure how much) and 150 mg Demerol. 20 minutes later I felt wonderful and scared to death. They put iodine on the arm (felt cold), then told me the numbing injection would be painful. Boy they weren't kidding. One nurse actually held me down on the table with both hands on my chest. Apparently it is an involuntary reaction to 'jump' and I did. The doc said, "OK you're going to feel the needle." And I certainly did, but it didn't hurt anything like the Xylocaine (or was it Marcaine?) going in. Good Grief that hurt like nobody's business.
Well after just a few seconds the pain went away. They used
a 'burning needle' to cut away and I remember seeing smoke drift up towards the
ceiling. I was starting to enter la-la land and my memory gets foggy here. I do
remember a LOT of honey-colored crap being taken out. I felt them 'tugging' and
heard 'noises' but felt nothing. Anyway, the doc told my Dad that he was 'suprised'
at how much tissue was involved and just 'mascerated.' Dad said I had a 'hole'
in my arm that was pretty deep. Approximately 6-inches long roughly the shape of
a banana or diamond. It was sewn up and it
The docs say, "Now, if we were to remove tissue from your left arm it would heal nicely. But this area here in your right arm is *not normal tissue* and it also has staph in it. Therefore, I'm on Cephalexin (250mg 4/day), Prednisone again (same dosage regimen as before), Dapsone (which required blood tests and crap), and my old friend that has helped me combat the pain: Mepergan Fortis.
Ladies and Gentlemen, if you have these things in your area I implore you to call Orkin. We spent $125 for inside and outside spraying by them and they found 2 more down behind a deep freezer we have in a darkened room not frequented. I don't know how much all of this is going to cost me but I'm sure it won't be cheap. The surgery I had will probably reach $2000.00.
Dale W. Clark
Newsgroups: sci.med.telemedicine
I've been confirmed to have been bitten by Loxosceles reclusa (the brown recluse or violin spider), on the upper right arm near the shoulder. It's extremely painful, ecchymotic and erythematous. Blanching, blistering, and ulceration is evident. It began as a dime-size bleb and now looks about the size of two half-dollar pieces hooked together.
The spider was located in a dark closet I was digging in for a book, after I had fumigated the basement.
I started Prednisone (20mg p.o. 3/day for 4 days, then 2/day for 4 days, then 1/day for 4 days). This has slowed the necrotization, however, it continues to slowly expand. I don't know if excision of the area would be useful or not.
Some systemic symptoms included nausea, vomiting, malaise, and general weakness and lethargy. But these have pretty much abated. I apply a polymyxin-bacitracin ointment before I go to bed.
The pain is rather severe and I'm wondering if I should obtain a mild narcotic for a while.
Anyway, I was wondering if someone else could tell me what to expect. Should I consider excision of the area? If so, how long should I wait? Any suggestions/comments would be appreciated.
Dale
Newsgroups: sci.med.telemedicine
*** UPDATE ***
I really appreciate all of the kind and informative remarks that so many of you have sent to me. I have 2 doctors monitoring it and I see them again on June 9th. My arm has acted very strange this weekend. While the bite area no longer appears to be expanding, the pain level has increased, almost doubled I would say. I can't even stand to have a thin bed sheet touching it at night would evoking pain.
Part of it is turning a bluish-black! Yech! It seems like it wants to scab-over, but something stops it. I also have edema in my right hand, and my nodes under my right arm are inflamed.
This has been positively ghastly. Thanks for all your data and encouragement. Your suggestions and comments have helped me keep on top of this thing, and have assisted me in knowing what to expect and what my options may be.
Thanks again.
Dale W. Clark
From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com
(Dale Clark)
Subject: Re: Brown Recluse: UPDATE.
I just came back from the doctors' and here is what they said:
Dale
Newsgroups: sci.med.telemedicine
Hi again.
Just thought I'd update you as several kind people have sent messages wondering how I was getting along. When this is all over, I'll publish a document of what I went through.
Anyway, I'm about at day 23 since I was bitten. Believe it or not, on day 20 the pain increased several-fold. My entire right-arm is swollen (not REAL bad, but it's bigger than my left arm), and my hand is swollen on top. I've finished taking the Prednisone and right now I only take Mepergan Fortis when I need it for pain. This pain killer works very well, the Demerol combats the pain, and the Phengran ingredient helps the horrible itching. It itches so bad I'd love to take a coat hanger to it!
Anyway, some systemic symptoms have appeared, although I don't know if they are related to this or not. I feel tired all the time, weak in my legs, as if by standing-up I feel at any moment I'm going to lose balance and strength and fall down. I feel "shakey" like my muscles are weak. My mental faculties seem 'cloudy', and this isn't when I take a pain pill, I feel this way all the time. I find I'm easily 'startled' by sudden sounds. This is really crazy and I'm quite concerned about what's going on. Anyway, I have an appointment tomorrow, (Wednesday) with the docs again and I'll carefully tell them what's happened in the last week.
Oh! And most importantly, the wound is no longer spreading out. It still weaps and the bull's-eye has sloughed off. In general, you can now tell the little bugger obviously bit me twice, as the wound appears as a large figure '8' made up about the size of 2 dollar pieces hooked together. It weaps a green/yellow junk and the wound color is now light red, white dots, yellow gunk, and some blue markings.
I'll keep in touch!
Dale
Article: 68848 of sci.med
From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com
(Dale Clark)
Subject: Brown Recluse: Surgery Required DAMN!
Damn (please excuse me). They are going to 'cut' me today. The area of necrosis is large compared to the surface area. It's just the "tip of the ice-berg" I'm apparently seeing on top. Marvelous. I'm just hoping that I don't lose a lot of muscle with it. The bite (which I thought was 2 bites, but turns out that I have 1 circle for each fang) is located approximately where you get a small-pox shot.
Ah, yuk! I was hoping I could get away with no surgery, or at least just a skin graft. Now it looks like surgery AND a graft. Well, folks. I'll be gone for a bit. I'll write up a draft of this whole rotton experience and post it when I return.
Why don't the papers in Utah and the western states publish an article about these little buggers? I've never heard of them until I was bit! People need to be warned.
Cheers people. Thanks for all the support.
Dale "under the knife" Clark
From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Dale Clark)
Subject: One last question re: Brown Recluse
If you've followed my plight you know the story.
Anyway, I went to the doctor today for the last time. It was a good feeling to know I won't be seeing them again for a while. The dermatologist said something that just blew me away. She was happy with the scar and the results and stuff, and I noticed that I have a red mark, under the scan, all around the area where the surgery was performed. She said, she wouldn't expect the area to resolve and 'tan' until Christmas.
I'm not too suprised by the time element involved, but she said something else I've never heard. She said, it's because you are young and have a good immune system. The younger you are the more 'upset' your immune system will become to an insult to it. She removes skin cancers all the time, and said if I was 80, it would be resolved by August! She said surgeons love to operate on older people because they wounds resolve faster.
I'd never heard this and was suprised. You would think that it would be just the opposite. Well, that's the end of the story, I'm doing well and I can 'feel' that it is going away.
From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Dale Clark)
Subject: Dirty Little Buggers (Brown Recluse)
Well, here I am again. No - don't worry I didn't get bitten again. >yet<. We paid $125 for Orkin to come in and spray inside and out and I guess that spiders are hard to kill. Last night I'm sitting on the floor watching TV when I feel something CrAwLiNg up my arm. -YECH!- It was a brown spider of some kind. Oh my Gosh! It scared the hell out of me! I slapped it and hopefully killed it (couldn't find it afterwards which is even more scary).
I've checked myself all over and fortunately there are no little "bite" areas that I kind find.
Eeech. I hate spiders.
From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Dale Clark)
Subject: Brown Recluse Update - Ouch ouch ouch!
Hi. I thought this whole thing had ended, but I went into the doc's today to have a mole taken off. She decided to 'look' at the surgery area just to see how it was coming along. Something's wrong with it. The whole area around the wound is red and looks and feels 'funny' She biopsied the area and sent a little 'apple core' to the lab. She's not sure what is 'in the area' but I should know on Monday. I'll let ya know!
From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Dale Clark)
Subject: Re: Brown Recluse Update - Ouch ouch ouch!
This is a fast followup. I've been layed-off and today is my last day (Don't bother to email me I'm out the door right now). SO, I'm afraid I won't be able to tell you what, if anything, was wrong with my arm again when the results of the test come back on Monday. Anyway, it's been real. Thanks to so many of you for your kind suggestions and remarks. I hope to get a job somewhere that plugs into the net.
Take care everyone!
Dale W. Clark
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